Leadership Styles

i never said Stalin.. ok lets make a simulation
there are 3 countrys on the small planet of uhm Earth 2 (just follow it..)
Country 1 Fear
Country 2 Love
Country 3 Netrual
1 is milaristic/trade
2 is trader/uhm happy miltary?
3 is only there to trade with 2&3 :/

1 is communist big army lots of money but theres lots of revolts
2 Democratic a following they train into a miltary
3 ignore them they are loaded b/c of trade

1 and 2 disagree and go to war
1 out guns 2 but 1 has lots of revolts inland
the war go stalemate (most likely one will prevale from strategy but theres none of that here)
2 puts there money into reasearch
1 puts theres into building guns
2 keeps equal with 3 b/c of more powerful weapons
2 keeps moral high b/c of love and people cooperate
1 morality is low but they force people to fight
1 death rate is high than 2 but 2 has less people and weapons

see it really stays stalemate w/o strategy
this is really like the American Colonys VS Britain where strategy won it for us

this war would most likely end with 2 nuking the crap outta 1 b/c 2 has nukes b/c of research and 1 doesn't b/c they put there money in massing weapons

Really 2<1 unless 1 destroys 2 before they get nuke tech :/

Tank, wth, that's ridiculous, Communism is a political party just like any other, when you talk about it on your post you are actually talking about stalin, and besides, the democrats recruiting system isn't voluntary, why do you think you can't enlist in the army to go help children on irak, etc? but to go to war only (if there is 1 going on).
It's because people with no money that don't wanna steal go to the army to gain money in a fair way and help their country, if they could they would enlist only to help, not to go to war, it's a capitalistic conspiracy against the people just to gain power.

I only used communism b/c half the world thinks they are evil
did you want me to call there partys
the Happy party
and the War party????

Yes, that would be better, i am pretty sure you know i am a communist, right?
And no, not half the world, just capitalists, Nazis, religious persons, etc.

Communism rocks.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFL-SPAM! (seriously tank, cut it out; at least add new content to the debate)

okay anyway my understanding of this is that
-fear=you make EVERYBODY fear you
-love=you show love and compassion to EVERYBODY.


Jesus died because that was his plan -.- god made it that way, dont you read the bible

plus jesus wasn't the ruler of the people showing everybody love, jesus was the person who was, like you said, introducing new ideas and concepts and doing crazy feats somewhat indirectly opposing the government. if jesus WAS the government, 2000 years ago would have been a much better time.

by "jesus" my point was that you show love and compassion to everybody like jesus did, and would.

kuro when did you become all prissy over not spaming and why am i all the blame? b/c i put the picture?
and with love your people will think they dont have to do anything pay taxes help the government in anyway b/c you show no threat
there may be conspiricys in fear but love people shall be lazy

Only if the people are brought up to be as such... i.e. lazy. Ever heard the expression that you can't change someone? Well, that applies regardless of the circumstances. If you show people unconditional and un-earned love, then, yes, there is a very real chance of those people taking that love for granted and stepping all over you. However, if you only dish out love as though it is respect and must be earned first, then your people will have to work harder to earn it and thus will have something invested in you. Plus, this only works if the aforementioned love has some kind of value to it for the people seeking it.

My point is that unconditional love won't help to govern people at all. It will be taken for granted. Off on a tangent, but I'll link it soon: this is one of the big reasons that I have a problem with modern Christianity.

Think about the movie Jurassic Park for a sec. Okay, now forget about velociraptors and think about Ian Malcolm's speech when he's eating lunch with the group. The scientific power of the island took no discipline to attain. Thus, the engineers don't feel entirely responsible should something go wrong. They had not time invested in it.

Now back to religion. What good is forgiveness and redemption if you don't have to earn it? One may end up taking those for granted just as a society took love for granted and the scientists of Jurassic Park take genetic power for granted.

As a teacher of mine once said, "Anything worth having in life can't be given; it has to be earned." Yes, I am saying that redemption and forgiveness should be earned. Otherwise, it makes all of our mistakes feel pointless and all of our struggles feel like they are worthless. Why be here if we aren't progressing towards some end? Even if that end is simply paying off a debt.

The Christian answer, for some, may be to spread the word of God. To accept Jesus as your lord and savior and you get a "get into heaven" free card. I'm surprised that any self-respecting capitalist would ever by into this notion.

Of course this could lead to a huge pre-destination debate which I'm not fond of either. Although Christianity has its flaws, I suppose there is something comforting in thinking that there is a great, loving, universe-governing entity out there that really wants to see each of us succeed... but I'm getting horribly off track.

Original point: love that's not earned is not worth having. You need to make people work for it or they won't feel a need to care. Time invested implies value. So that was kind of a long rambling maze of thoughts. Hopefully I left just enough bread crumbs to find your way out.

would YOU rather be ruled by fear or by love?

Ok a different question which is the US and UK ran on? fear or love?

You didn't respond to my argument at all.

I would rather be under a ruler who used love, but it shouldn't be unconditional for the ruler's sake.

A good leader makes use of his/her subjects' talents and puts them to work so that they actually add value to the society and also so that they value that society. They'll feel like they've done something good.

Being a good leader entails loving your subject as a parent loves a child. Let me qualify: a good parent. Discipline without being overbearing.

This only works with the situation within itself. Let me explain a bit...

I believe with very few exceptions that people are products of their nurturing but not their nature. Sure, there are some people that are psychologically unstable due to genetics, but that is a negligible portion of the population. Thus, I believe that it is a person's upbringing that helps to define their personality traits and how "good" they are. Lazy vs. hard working; happy vs. angry; etc on through the dichotomies. Yeah, people go through bad times, but if they are raised to react to the situation "correctly" then that could eliminate much of the cycle that goes on. The cycle being something started from a "wrong-doing" and perpetuated by people that take it out on others rather than actually dealing with it. This has to do with some self-government as well, but all people if given the correct tools can react with some amount of intelligence and self control.

Basically, I'll boil that down to a parable. Give a man a fish, you've fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you've fed him for life. Or whatever that saying ending is. Anyhow, the point is that a good leader gives all his/her subjects the tools to be good leaders themselves so that they can be self governed. The motivation for doing this is love: you love your subjects so you want to see them grow and be good people. You respect their power and talents and use their abilities to help them build and have a hand in the society.

Now, a ruler based on fear will also fear his subjects. He will fear their power and use fear to force his subjects to work. Rather than being motivated love, they are motivated by the fear of losing one's life or liberty. This stifles creativity and innovation. Under fear, one is doing what one needs to survive and no more. The society is sick, the leader is hated.

Now, can a ruler rule by love of everyone? Maybe. It depends on the size of what's being ruled. In order to truly "love" someone, you need to know them and be able to share something with them. That is nearly impossible with 260+ million people as the U.S. has. With a smaller group, the chances go up.

Kuro, I know that's not what you asked, but I thought I should explain the thoughts I had. Kosher?

Aqua - you so smaaaaart.

One of the feww. Of course.

One of the few...?

An answer to Tank's question is that I think America is currently run by fear. Terrorism is our specter.

No idea what the UK is.

Ok, first of all, i didn't read those 2 long posts of aqua (i don't have the time right now) but what he said about USA being ruled by fear, you can see that i wrote the same thing on my first post on the second page.

Btw, i have to agree with kuro this time, that was a little too spammy, tank, at least say a really short comment about the subject and then spam ROFL-RILLA!!!

P.S.: U.K. = United Kingdom

United Kingdom: country in northwestern Europe, comprising the historic kingdoms of England and Scotland, the principality of Wales, and the province of Northern Ireland.
Language: English
Currency: pound sterling
Capital: London
Population: 60,609,153 (2006 estimate)
Area: 244,110 sq km/94,251 sq mi Official name United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

From the Encarta Dictionary

I'm pretty sure he knows WHAT the UK is just not much about it's leadership style on account of not living there >.>

MAYBE HE DOESN'T!!!

Quote :

U.K. = United Kingdom

United Kingdom: country in northwestern Europe, comprising the historic kingdoms of England and Scotland, the principality of Wales, and the province of Northern Ireland.
Language: English
Currency: pound sterling
Capital: London
Population: 60,609,153 (2006 estimate)
Area: 244,110 sq km/94,251 sq mi Official name United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

WAS JUST A JOKE!!

yes and you dont call that spam? ehh

and i think at this point we are slightly off track

Fear war winner
Love peace keeper! (no war)

I Know i was spamming .

But you are the Spam King!!

And yes, this topic is pointless right now.

Start a politics topic thread right now!!