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Should Resurrection have a mana cost?
Yes
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No
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PostSubject: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 4:50 pm

Should Resurrection have a mana cost?
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 5:48 pm

I voted yes, however now that I thihnk about it if you increased the cooldown alot, and took away the mana cost then that would solve the Static problem too...you're trying to do this because you have to rewrite it correct?
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 6:20 pm

Voted no, unless it was incredibly low - like 100 and under.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 6:21 pm

Re-writing it sparked the idea in my mind... and it was voted the strongest spell in the game. Perhaps a mana cost would balance it a bit better?
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 6:24 pm

Personally, I think 50-100 mana would be fine. Currently, I can just burn through my mana then ressurect someone when I'm dry. In fact, I sometimes tell allies to suicide so I can rez them when I don't have enough mana to restore.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 6:24 pm

It's not neccisarily the "strongest spell" but it is the most game changing...Support usualy has that effect in all games though. How big a mana cost are you thinking?

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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 6:43 pm

I was thinking 75-95 mana cost.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 6:45 pm

I would be fine with anything less than 100, anymore and i would complain though >.<... Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 6:56 pm

I do not want a mana cost on ressurect. INSTEAD I want a lowered mana pool on those who are ressurected by ressurect. like 50% mana so you aren't totally fucked without a light mage.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 7:24 pm

So wait... you want me to lower their MAX mana when they get resurrected? Umm.. no.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 7:39 pm

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So wait... you want me to lower their MAX mana when they get resurrected? Umm.. no.

No, he is suggesting that when you revive you only have half your mana.

Your Max mana is 800.
You die
You get revived
You now have 400/800 mana.

You can still get back to 800 mana.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 9:07 pm

That way there isn't an incentive to die, so you can be ressed for mana again. I think that's part stratagy, and with CT it would be fine, but right now without a light mage, it is a little hard to win if the light mage is good, and your team doesn't have one as well (while theirs do).

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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 9:12 pm

wouldn't this help negate the light mage team supremacy so that the non-lighters stand a shot?
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 9:17 pm

I would say ONE or the other. Both would be an overkill nerf on Light. Either a mana cost, or don't revive with full mana when ressed. I would think 66%-75%. 50% seems like a lot.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 9:18 pm

No, Light is getting nerfed WAY to much.
First restore becomes useless, and only can restore about max 400-500 mana to yourself at 0.6 power.
Light doesnt need any more nerfs whatsoever... Concentrate on the other elements. Also, Light needs some buffs.
To be honest. My build completley sucks now. Restore was a main part in it.

And the last thing, you need to start buffing other spells to match an alleged overpowered spell.
Instead of nerfing just the one. If you dont start doing this, Im pretty sure all the spells are going to be very weak.
And it will be like trying to kill someone with contruction paper, over a sharp blade... >_>;;

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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 9:19 pm

DeathByCyanide wrote:
No, Light is getting nerfed WAY to much.
First restore becomes useless, and only can restore about max 400-500 mana to yourself at 0.6 power.
Light doesnt need any more nerfs whatsoever... Concentrate on the other elements. Also, Light needs some buffs.
To be honest. My build completley sucks now. Restore was a main part in it.

And the last thing, you need to start buffing other spells to match an alleged overpowered spell.
Instead of nerfing just the one. If you dont start doing this, Im pretty sure all the spells are going to be very weak.
And it will be like trying to kill someone with contruction paper, over a sharp blade... >_>;;

Isn't restore .75 * Power. I find restore is still plenty on my mages.
It is meant for support, we abuse it and use it for our self. It is still very Powerful on self.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 9:25 pm

It's 0.6, and DBC there was a CODE RESET, why would you model a build after a skill that you knew the specs of and then complain about it being nerfed BEFORE the RESET.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyMon May 26, 2008 9:47 pm

BashAndSmash wrote:
It's 0.6
It's 0.75*power at max level. 0.25/0.50/0.75. I buffed it.
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BashAndSmash wrote:
It's 0.6, and DBC there was a CODE RESET, why would you model a build after a skill that you knew the specs of and then complain about it being nerfed BEFORE the RESET.

Correction. I didnt know light got nerfed at the time.

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I agree with one thing DBC said. We should stop nerfing "Allegedly" OP spells. For one thing, there will always be a spell that stands out as the most overpowered...Constantly nerfing it will just make something else seem OP in comparison. We need to start buffing spells instead of nerfing them. Take Icy Orb for example, it used to be like half the mana, more bolts, and more damage for those bolts...It's now a shadow of it's former self and people still complain about it. Main reason, is because the element they are using is still the same. They cry because they don't see the other side of the feild. Buff their spells instead, and they'll probably stop crying, and it still balances the game. The people who have the "OP" spells won't cry either, as nothing happened to their element.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyTue May 27, 2008 12:36 am

light IS getting nerfed too much. even the tech tree made secondarying light tough to get rez. light mages usually have a crapload of mana, so a mana cost on rez (100 is cheap, 200 is kinda acceptable, 300 makes it truly an ult) is acceptable. i think you'd have to make the spell a little better, though, for making it cost mana. nerf after nerf is really making me second thought lvling my light mage.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyTue May 27, 2008 2:07 am

Pacifism is officially one of the most rigged abilities now. The silence duration should be halved IMO. Giving one of the strongest elements the longest silence ability combined with disallowing attacking during that time (This means they can't even use massed summons like you can against a water or wind silence.) is horrible. Pacifism needs half duration silence please.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyTue May 27, 2008 9:07 am

SinisteRing wrote:
BashAndSmash wrote:
It's 0.6
It's 0.75*power at max level. 0.25/0.50/0.75. I buffed it.

I updated all the spells, I know almsot all of them inside out.

I do think Ress should be nerfed, Light is a support;
It is immensly powerful on others weak on yourself - that is what a support is.

100 Mana is a fair cost for ress.
Or 0 Mana cost and the target revives with half mana.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptyTue May 27, 2008 7:04 pm

the spell itself says they rez with 100 mp so a full mana rez was never intended in it's creation.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection   Forum Poll (5/26): Mana + Resurrection EmptySat May 31, 2008 8:06 am

it doesn't need it. but if the guy getting revived is revived with like 85%hp and 85%mana, or the caster has to pay like 50mana (little higher maybe) then sure whatever.

but ressurrection is ressurrection. so do whatever.
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