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ThisIsGinga
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 04, 2010 4:31 pm

I wish someone would fix MMM FOR WC3, i miss the good old days Sad
isn't there anyway we could convince Sinistering or Zync? Like a petition?
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 05, 2010 3:42 am

Zync nor I have the latest version of the map.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 05, 2010 9:50 am

ThisIsGinga is right i play hon and will play SCII but i need to play mm& m on WCIII plz=) anyone /beg
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 05, 2010 2:17 pm

I plan on remaking MM&M on SCII (however, it will surly change due to the different tools and models/animations available).

Until then, I'm not going to take the time it requires to do it on WC3. In all truth, I've stopped making WC3 maps altogether. I did it for about 5 years, and that was enough, lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 05, 2010 4:55 pm

We aren't asking for a remake, just a fix so tht we can once again play it. While it would be nice if someone kept editing it, what we need first is to get a playable map.

And i believe that 8.00 is the latest version, and the link for it is on an earlier page of this thread.
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8.00 has the "new" unfinished item system. Separating it to the old version isn't possible.

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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 05, 2010 6:10 pm

Besides, the "additions" made to the map once I handed it off make me too angry to try and edit it. Honestly, they were "so bad" in my opinion (some were fine) that I tried playing it once, and couldn't ever again.

The project was so big, and I had so many ideas, that it was hard to watch the map being taking to a place it was never designed/balanced for. But I certainly wasn't able to finish it because of the engine combined with what was my limited knowledge of the time; hence me handing it off.

I really consider it a thing of the past.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 05, 2010 8:42 pm

I would personally be happy with it reverting to pre-M-Book stage and being made playable again. I didn't really like the new item system either, but I do admit the old one needed rebalancing.

To be honest, I don't think ANYONE was happy with the direction it was going in. We all pooled ideas, and the resulting amalgamation just wasn't the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 05, 2010 9:26 pm

I agree, i liked the idea of M-spells just not the books lol, but I think we all agree we would like a playable version the most. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 06, 2010 6:10 am

Give me a version number from the following that you want made playable:

7.09b
7.09c
7.11
7.11a
7.13
8.00
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 06, 2010 11:22 am

i believe 7.13 would be good enough =) and 6.11c isn't bad too if its OK =D ty ALOT
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I'm ok with what every1 else chooses. I took a break from wc3 for a year and the vers i played when i got back was 7.20c so i dont know the differences between all the vers. But pre m-books would b my favorite.
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Honestly, even if you select one from that list, i doubt Sin could actually make it playable, nothing personal, of course. The guy is a douchebag but hes decent with code, but I spent hours trying to trace the problem and had no success whatsoever.

And I say douchebag with all due respect, which may or may not be substantial, Kyle.

I have the 8.00 with all the new terrain, and the old item system, I believe (not 100% sure), with all the extraneous bits of Castersystem removed, which constitutes a couple thousand lines of code and probably about a half hour of work on your part. If you'd like it I can send it to you over msn.

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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptySat Feb 06, 2010 8:22 pm

Ok well it's been a little while since anyone has posted anything on here and I was wondering if someone was still going to fix it?

I personally don't care what version gets fixed, I just want to play MM&M. It's been at least a year since I've played it and I really really really want to right now.

Pre-M Book would be my favorite, but even if there still was M-Books, as long as they're balanced I don't care I just want a working map.

SOMEONE PLEASE FIX THIS!
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yesplx Rolling Eyes
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The issue was they can't fix it with reasonable effort.
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Has anyone tried one of the much earlier versions though?

AFAIK, everyone did with the latest versions and there have been definite coding changes since then.

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The earlier versions would be harder. All the cleanup I did made a small difference in how easy it was to manipulate things with the code, but you'd still have to go through everything, literally line by line, looking for things that could possibly violate blizzard's new coding rules for map initialization.

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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptySun Feb 07, 2010 7:14 pm

MM&M will not be coming back until it is fully re-created. If you don't like it, send the map to blizzard's tech support and ask them if they can do anything with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyMon Feb 08, 2010 1:51 pm

Ok that's fine, I just want to know that it is being fully re-created. I don't care if it takes a while as long as it's going to come back.

thanks for all the hard work guys (mappers).
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyMon Feb 08, 2010 7:53 pm

SinisteRing is pretty much joking. There are two potential MM&M projects on the distant horizon, but neither is for wc3. SinisteRing is planning on making a game similar to MM&M in Heroes of Newarth, and Zync is planning on making another MM&M clone in SC2. Neither of these projects will be done any time soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Feb 09, 2010 2:36 pm

well damnit, I'm going to see if I can get help from some map makers on the game..I talked to a few the other day and they said fixing maps for the new patch was extremely easy, so I'll get them to do it for us and maybe we'll be able to play again.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyTue Feb 09, 2010 2:59 pm

On some maps it is extremely easy, however MM&M is not like other maps. Pythagors is one of the best coders on all of bnet and he couldn't fix it with a reasonable amount of effort. (He could do it, but it would be a massive undertaking.)

The long and short is the fact that MM&M has thousands of lines of code. There are random errors caused by the new patch interspersed throughout this code. You have to read the entire thing slowly and carefully knowing what it needs to look like and where you need to change it and meticulously changing each instance of error. We are probably talking about a minimum of 10-20 hours of work for Pythagoras or Zync who know the code inside and out or hundreds of hours of work for someone else who doesn't.
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PostSubject: Re: Blizzard screwed 7.20c up...   Blizzard screwed 7.20c up... - Page 3 EmptyWed Feb 10, 2010 1:19 pm

ugg, I just wish someone would do it......This was my favorite game ever and now I'm not going to be able to play it again because I'm not going to buy SCII or any other game...It's just heart breaking...
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JoeMamma138 wrote:
ugg, I just wish someone would do it......This was my favorite game ever and now I'm not going to be able to play it again because I'm not going to buy SCII or any other game...It's just heart breaking...
If you don't buy a new game soon, you'll be stuck with a shitty game with no players and a small community. Beyond that, map variety in Warcraft 3 will nearly diminish once Heroes of Newerth completes their editor and releases it.
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