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Energy Spike
I want it and put it in Ice
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I want it and put it in Water
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I want it and put it on a item
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I want it and suggested something else
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I think it sucks balls
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Rhys
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PostSubject: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 8:36 pm

I coded this Spell up today as a test run, I wanted to get familiar with the cross coding of the upgrade shrines with the Spell Books to the actual Dummy Spells. It works fine as far as I can tell, minus a lack of good graphics.

Energy Spike :
5 levels
Cast type : Instant
Duration : 10.9.8.7.6 Seconds
Cost : 85.105.125.145.165 Mana
Effect 1 : Slows Target For Duration
Effect 2 : At end of Duration deals X Damage to Targeted Units Hp and Mp
Damage X : 1.0 = 1.25 = 1.5 = 1.75 = 2.0

So there are a few things going on. First with Pyth's New systems I was able to create Delayed Effects, a few Item Spells I made up use this but this is the first actual level-able spell that will use this. as you level it up it trades off its Slow duration for actual Damage. In Addition it deals two seperate damages, one to the Hp and one to the Mp.

I'm feeling that this is ICE element.
I started off trying to make a Silence Replacement.

Anyways Discuss to your hearts content or flame it out of existence if you think it sucks. Let me know what you guys think.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 9:04 pm

wow...maybe this could replace ice slide...idk...and I really want you 2 to post in the water spell decision forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 9:34 pm

Item or M-spell. As an M-spell I think it should be buffed, as an Item I think it should only have one level with the lowest duration and damage, and a significant mana cost. (So 6 second slow, 1*power damage to hp and mp, and like 150 mana cost.)

It's ok, but I don't particularly like it for anything but an Ice Slide replacement. But then, it is kind of strong for a tier 1 spell. It could be an Ice/Lightning M-spell, or Ice/Water maybe. In that case it would need a significant buff IMO. (Maybe 5 second slow and then 3*power to hp and mp, and mana cost like 200.)

I suppose it could replace Silence, but I don't think Water should have ANY mage only single target damage spells. (Aside from Bubble, as that is a Q spell and an exception.) This is the same reason I am against the Mana Flare thing that Jay suggested, but this at least has a mana element to it and is not just a pure anti-mage damaging spell.


So, I'm against it for Water. I think it could be good on Ice, but the only good spell to replace is Ice Slide and this would need a nerf and/or less scaling if it's going to be a tier 1 spell. I think it would make a very good item, but should have a weaker effect and higher mana cost. (That is to keep items spells balanced IMO, they should not be as good mana-damage ratio as other things, but should give more versatility/utility. This would give any character a slowing and mana burning spell.) It would probably be best served as an Ice/??? M-spell though. (Due to Ice not having any really pointless things to replace, but this having alot of "Ice" type theme going on.)
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 9:42 pm

Item or on Ice. Voted item. Don't think it's a good Silence replacement...and it could work as an Ice Slide replacement - but I don't think Ice Slide needs a replacement, only to not do damage AFTER you slide. Then it's a fine spell.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 11:19 pm

I think it works the best with ice, due to the mana damage, and it ought to fit in nicely as an M-spell, should it be buffed. Depending on chosen animation it could be Ice/Lightning, perhaps even Ice/Dark, but most likely Ice/Lightning, IMO
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 11:57 pm

i think it should be put into light iif it is used... energy relates mostly to light.. just in my opinion that is
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 12:05 am

true but holy has blind which slows....With two Slows we wouldn't want to make holy the disabling element now would we?


As far as Graphics are concerned its not a missile or anything, the only graphics you'd see are......hmm..... ok like look at Blind for example, it doesn't have a missile and you see a swirling yellow thing over the targets head, it would be like that but a different graphic. Also it would obviously have a buff applied to the unit so you'd see what spell your effected by.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 12:32 am

replace blind than... i use holy as my second element on everything... and i mean it.. EVERY mage i make has holy as the second element.. i have never ONCE used blind.. i can say this from the deepest most honest part of my heart
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 12:39 am

make it the holy ice m-spell, it seems it would suit it more, just have it heal the user for the amount taken, so it fits both elements.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 12:52 am

its good and i think it shoudl be wait diaster said (holy/ice) or lightning/ice
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 3:00 am

Its possible to add a heal effect like diaster said as well..... you know if its a mspell I may be able Heal the Hp and the Mp of the user equal to the damage of hp and mp done to the target, doesn't sound to hard to do. of course the Mana cost would have to be raised significantly for this and wed want to try to keep it around 100mp stolen........ so I suppose we could have 2 separate damages going on, a 4.0*power to Hp and 2.0*Power to Mp.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 3:31 am

So.... this doesn't quite follow at the moment but it will. The biggest problem with M-spells is that you are sacrificing one good spell for another. Kiss of Ice is one of the best spells and it works really well with ice, so any spell that can act somewhat like kiss is a good idea in my book of stuff. Certain M-spells don't quite add the synergy that the elements require to make it an adequate replacement - but that's way off target.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 3:35 am

mm well IF this was to become a mspell I would certainly want Ice to be one of the elements and preferably put into a Mbook that uses Kiss Of Ice so this can act as a better version of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 10:10 am

Here is the thing though, most of the ???/Ice books are very powerful. The point of the M-spell is to help balance the book, so if it is already strong, then the M-spell does not need to have good synergy with the book or be powerful. If however the book is quite weak, then it should get an uber M-spell with great synergy to make up for that.

M-spells are basically the only balancing tool we have for the M-books. We should try and make use of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 11:16 am

Here's my though process. I think all M-spells should be SOMEWHAT composed of the 2 C spells. For example, the Dark/Fire M-spell, while you're channeling for 5 seconds should have a 1power dmg/sec pulse. This combines the summon of Dark, and the AoE channel damage of Fire. It does less damage than Flame Strike, Yet summons more powerful summons, but it's channeled and no stun opposed to instant. It's a trade off spell.

The same way would work for other M-spells. All Ice M-spells would deal with mana in some way, mixed with the other spell. Now I realize, some of the spells don't follow - or won't be able to deal with this format, though I think it could, and somewhat think it should (atleast after Sea Elemental is replaced) for MOST M-books, not all of them. Also, on what Dragon said, the amount you end up trading off for the spells would be based on how strong the M-book already is based on it's random synergy.

So a good book like Ice/Lightning would get a spell that's say 7/10, while a weaker book like...Water/Wind would get a spell that's 10/10, you know what I mean?
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 4:36 pm

so jay is saying that some M-Books suck so they need a M-Spell that can counter the suckyness and others are amazing and need a M-Spell that doesnt make it 500% better
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 4:47 pm

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so jay is saying that some M-Books suck so they need a M-Spell that can counter the suckyness and others are amazing and need a M-Spell that doesnt make it 500% better

Ya, balance it...Mediocre books need good M-spells, Good books need mediocre M-spells. I do think that it would be interesting to add more a "mix" of both C spells though. I think try it out with Dark/Fire since I think that's easiest to implement.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 4:54 pm

question whats C spells? (i r lost in the whole thing...)
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 4:56 pm

spells with the c hotkey, like kiss of ice, suffocate, res.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 4:59 pm

ooooooohhhhhhh!!! ok i see now!!
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 5:02 pm

From what I know everyone hates the holy m-books (except water/holy) So I think they need to either be buffed (like i asked for wind/holy) or get a really good m-spell.
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 5:07 pm

GOOD M-SPELLS ALL AROUND!!!
that should be fun.... we have troubles thinking of m-spells as it is..
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 5:12 pm

Yes, most of the /Holy M-spells should pwn IMO.

@diaster: You think what you suggested was a buff, and maybe it would be, but others aren't sure. And it definitely was pushing Wind/Holy more towards carry which is stupid when it is obviously a support M-book. (Support+psuedo-support = support NOT carry.)
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 5:14 pm

buffing Holy/(insert element here) M-Book < good Holy/(insert element here) M-Spell
buffing seems to pointless...
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PostSubject: Re: Energy Spike   Energy Spike EmptyWed Sep 03, 2008 5:17 pm

Holy/Earth is a good book. Holy/Fire is also good from what I remember. Holy/Dark is also amazing, atleast with my playstyle.

Holy/Ice sucks hard. Holy/Lightning is used often. Holy/Wind is support...What's wrong with Holy M-books? It's just a weird playstyle because you have carry and support at the SAME TIME. It's like playing a Red Mage...it just doesn't excel at anything.
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