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AquaAscension Legendary
Number of posts : 580 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Flying Dragon Kick
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:57 pm | |
| Quite right, Bart. Those are out-dated words, but they are still words.
Here's one rule for commas. I won't outline all the rules for commas because they are annoying, but I'll outline one. This is the rule for coordinating conjunctions.
When you have two complete sentences, you have a few options for how to complete them. For example:
I am tired.
I am going to bed.
Those are your two sentences. They are each complete because they both have a subject, a verb, and they make sense alone (these can also be called Independent Clauses because they can stand alone or Independently). Anyhow, back to it: there are three ways of connecting those two sentences.
1.) Separate them with a period: "I am tired. I am going to bed."
2.) Separate them with a comma and a coordinating conjunction (For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So AKA FANBOYS): "I am tired, so I am going to bed."
3.) Separate them with a semi-colon and a transition word followed by a comma. (however, therefore, thus, or any word that helps to connect two thoughts together): "I am tired; therefore, I am going to bed."
There, now you have two examples of when you MUST use a comma to be grammatically correct. The only really tricky part is figuring out whether or not you have two independent clauses. An independent clause is one that has a subject, a verb, and makes sense on its own. For example: "I am tired" is an independent clause because it has a subject (I), a verb (tired with helping verb am), and it makes sense because it communicates some bit of information. So, what are some example of a dependent clause?
1.) Wants to go play.
2.) Joe and Jack.
3.) Because Joe and Jack want to go play.
Example 1 has no subject and is therefore not an independent clause. Example 2 has no verb and doesn't really communicate anything on its own: i.e. Joe and Jack did what? Example 3, you notice, has both a subject(s) (in this case "Joe and Jack") and a verb, but it doesn't communicate any real information on its own. The sentence would make sense with more information: "Because Joe and Jack want to go play, they are not getting into trouble." Or alternatively: "Joe and Jack are not getting into trouble because they want to go play." The clause now communicates something on its own.
That last example is a little awkward, but that does not change the fact that those are the grammar rules. Questions? | |
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Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2358 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:47 pm | |
| The shortest and easiest rule of commas for dummies is to speak it out loud. If at any point you pause, put a comma there. | |
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AquaAscension Legendary
Number of posts : 580 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Flying Dragon Kick
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:35 pm | |
| Yeah, but that is not a true rule, Dragon. True, it works sometimes, but there are also times when that rule is relatively bogus. | |
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kuro Clan Chieftan
Number of posts : 1331 Registration date : 2008-05-31 Age : 114 Location : in the middle of nowHere.
Your Character Level: 2 Primary Move: invoke
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:51 pm | |
| What was the point of that, aqua?
Aqua just went from a grammar nazi to a grammar hitler xD (for the random, sort've unnecessary, grammer lesson)
I believe shant is shan't, not sure if it is real, but if anything, it would be "shall+not." | |
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AquaAscension Legendary
Number of posts : 580 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Flying Dragon Kick
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:26 pm | |
| No, if I were a grammar Hitler, then I'd be forcing you to obey my lesson and exterminate Jewish people. As it stands, I have done neither of those. The lesson was a "if you want to actually know *why* grammar works this way, then listen to my lesson" sort of a suggested reading thing. No one actually has to follow the rules if they don't want to, but I felt that I should explain them just in case anyone wanted to know.
If it sounded authoritative or pedantic, I apologize because I had not intended to be. | |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:55 am | |
| I really enjoyed that lesson. I think it would be boring in a class room setting, but for some reason I enjoyed the read....Odd. | |
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The_Angel Expert Mage
Number of posts : 124 Registration date : 2008-05-22
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move:
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:02 am | |
| - Jay.J wrote:
- I really enjoyed that lesson. I think it would be boring in a class room setting, but for some reason I enjoyed
the read reading it....Odd. Mmkay, I'm done. | |
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Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2358 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:22 am | |
| I was just pointing out a much simpler version for the tl;dr crowd. I know it's not accurate all the time, but it's better than nothing. | |
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AquaAscension Legendary
Number of posts : 580 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Flying Dragon Kick
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:45 am | |
| Actually, Angel, Jay's version is grammatically acceptable as well. They both function as a direct object in the sentence and work.
@Dragon: What does tl;dr mean? I seriously have no idea and don't want to use time to try to figure it out. A little help? | |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:07 am | |
| Too long; Didn't read. HAH, mines right Angel. It sounds right & we got a guy with a bachelors of English (Or are you still in school Aqua?) saying it is | |
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AquaAscension Legendary
Number of posts : 580 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Flying Dragon Kick
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:30 pm | |
| I'm still in school.
Only caveat is that I haven't taken an actual grammar class in a long time, but I'll be taking an advanced grammar class this coming semester. Should be fun.
Thanks, now I can understand that acronym. | |
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kuro Clan Chieftan
Number of posts : 1331 Registration date : 2008-05-31 Age : 114 Location : in the middle of nowHere.
Your Character Level: 2 Primary Move: invoke
| Subject: Re: Grammar Nazi's Ahoy Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:24 pm | |
| Never be afraid to google the acronym or the urban dictionary. | |
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