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I hate that you put fire has 7 mp regen including with the Mp aura..>.>

excellent work sin

	Dark	Earth	Fire	Holy	Ice	Lightning	Water	Wind
Stamina	2	1	4	3	7	8	6	5
Power	8	2	5	7	3	1	4	6
Essence	4	2	5	3	6	8	1	7
HP Regen	2	1	4	3	8	6	7	5
MP Regen	3	6	7	2	5	8	1	4
Armor	2	1	8	3	5	7	4	6
Damage	1	3	5	8	4	2	7	6
Speed	6	8	5	4	3	2	7	1
Range	6	8	3	5	4	1	2	7
AOE	7	1	3	6	5	8	4	2

still thinking on numbers but I think the last 2 should really be accounted for.

I'm pretty sure he's only accounting for what he can put on items. I don't think you can add range and AoE via items.

no spell buffs? that's sad....then again got to admit i kinda misread the topic then...so ya....disregard my numbers then

Dark - 27
Earth - 31
Fire - 42
Holy - 45
Ice - 47
Lightning - 49
Water - 44
Wind - 48

Based on Sin's chart. I did this in my head though so there may be a few errors. Lower numbers are stronger, higher numbers are weaker. Sooo...now time to even out all the numbers?

I think my chart was more balanced. You should do the math on each chart.


Btw Rhys, are you still filling in the table? There are alot of empty slots left.

Few more changes for Jay.

	Dark	Earth	Fire	Holy	Ice	Lightning	Water	Wind
Stamina	2	1	4	3	7	8	6	5
Power	7	4	2	5	3	1	8	6
Essence	6	8	4	3	2	5	1	7
HP Regen	2	4	3	1	8	6	7	5
MP Regen	7	6	4	8	5	3	1	2
Armor	2	1	8	3	5	7	4	6
Damage	1	5	6	8	3	2	7	4
Speed	6	8	5	4	3	2	7	1

Dark - 33
Earth - 37
Fire - 36
Holy - 35
Ice - 36
Lightning - 34
Water - 41
Wind - 36

36 is the prime balanced number for an average of 4.5 sudoku or average style. Try to get them all to 36. Throw in a total row.

I'm sure those numbers are quite alright for a blind try.

You can edit the numbers, I was just filling the chart up.

I was never great at Sodoku.

Actually, having the gear skewed a bit towards Water and away from Dark isn't that bad anyway. Water deserves better gear and Dark is fine.

sins updated chart actually looks fairly good. If anyone contends something about it now would be a good time to speak up.

Actually, I forgot low was better. His chart needs to be tweaked a bit. If anything is not average, then it should go by this order to choose which elements get better gear:

Holy is #1
Water is #2
Wind is #3
Earth is #4
Lightning is #5
Fire is #6
Ice is #7
Dark is #8


Just my opinion, and the gear should be relatively balanced. But, if anything gets a bit more it should be Holy Water and Wind preferably since they lean more towards support.

I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...

I will be posting my chart soon.


Everyone has given the elements 8, 7, 6... etc.


But i think everything should be rated on a 1-10 scale.


oh, and, i think hp regen should include hp recovery (e.g. heals, death coil, eat tree, actual regen), mana regen should include replenish and the like.

things like death pact too.

We are talking about the stats that the Elemental Items should give. They are not being scored 1-8, but rather rated from best to worst. There just happens to be 8 elements.

Jay.J wrote:

I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...

With the rules they're using to fill out the board, what you ask is impossible.

With 10 categories and 8 ranks per category, one element must be better than at least one other element in total ranking.

Actually, it's 8x8. Because of that, it actually SHOULD be possible. (But might not be because of certain givens like Lightning being #1 in Power and #8 in Stamina.)

Jay.J wrote:

I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...

You do it.

Dragonheart91 wrote:

Actually, it's 8x8. Because of that, it actually SHOULD be possible. (But might not be because of certain givens like Lightning being #1 in Power and #8 in Stamina.)

Oh, some people were using the original and some people cut 2 stats off, i see how it is now.

Mhmm, well Rhys has is chart 8x8. Like I said before, I would do it but I'm not good at that kind of visual math.

I find it queer how elemental gear boosts things that the element is NOT good at...

Who said it should be like that? Also it's not like that always...Lightning is generally power. Earth is a lot of HP...Etc.

oh sorry.

i thought it was 8 HIGH, 1 low.